Talk:Kala Patthar

Both the text and the attached photograph refer to "Pumori".

Technically the name "Pumori" is incorrect.

In Nepali, "ri" = "mountain".

Thus the correct name is "Pumo Ri".

For example, Kala Pattar's equivalent "hill" just a few miles west in the Gokyo Valley is "Gokyo Ri", and not "Gokyori."

It's not a big deal since "Pumori" is in fact used colloquially 99 percent of the time, despite it being incorrect.

I've also noted this on the talk page for the gallery kalapattar.jpg.

Geeyore 18:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm almost certain that the last sentence is incorrect. I climbed to the top of Kala Pattar in September. Very steep, rocky, no spot for the Nepali cabinet members to be sitting around as in the photos. I think they were in the flat sandy lake bed (the heli landing area) or another flat place outside the trekking lodges at Gorek Shep. The altitude in the press report (17K+) is accurate. I'll edit it unless someone else does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtamad (talk • contribs) 18:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I have climbed "Kala Pattar" four times. There is some confusion as what the name refers to. There is a clear "Black Hill" with a low summit at the end of the ridge line, which comes down from Pumori. This is the real Kala Pattar. The place where all trekkers climb to is about 400m further on the same ridge leading to Pumori. The ridge is sharply cut in one place and the cairn with prayer flags sits there. This spot is clearly higher than the summit of true Kala Pattar. Somebody with proper authority should rewrite the article and explane these facts and why there are two competing altitudes for these two points, as two separate points there are. This is not a complicated matter but just a confusion from calling both the summit and the knoll on the ridge line "Kala Pattar". Petrus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.65.255.1 (talk) 10:36, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Visibility of Lhotse from Kala Patthar

The article states that Lhotse is visible from Kala Patthar. This is not true. Kala Patthar lies to the west of Nuptse and is more than 2000 m lower. Standing on Kala Patthar and looking east, Nuptse obscures everything lying to its East including the the Lhotse-Nuptse ridge and Lhotse itself. Everest lying to the northeast of Nuptse is visible, and it appears to be lower than Nuptse because it is further away.

The above unsigned comment is not mine. What I will add, is that after spending time with Google Earth, and after consulting my own photographs, I believe you can see the ridge, and possibly the peak, of Lhotse beyond the shoulder of Nuptse. In my photgraph, that ridge line appears to drop, meaning that it is likely that you can see the "peak" of Lhotse, but it is certainly not unobscured. In other words, it's not easy to spot. Steve Pastor (talk) 00:18, 17 December 2012 (UTC).

I suggest that the ambiguity arises from the disagreement about exactly what Kala Pattar is. From the area called Kala Patthar by our Sherpas, there is a glimps of a ridge behind Nuptse. From higher up a little more is visible, and it is possible that the peak of Lhotse can be seen. The real issue is whether the wording in the article "The views of Everest, Lhotse, and Nuptse are spectacular from almost anywhere on Kala Patthar" is true. I suggest "The views of Everest and Nuptse are spectacular from Kala Patthar and there are glimpses of the northern flank of Lhotse. 86.154.129.175 (talk) 17:49, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Since the article has few "references," due to the remoteness of the area, I went ahead and made the suggested change, based on "our" mututal understanding. Steve Pastor (talk) 17:22, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

This panoramic photo below is from the article is described as taken from Kala Patthar:

Click on it and zoom up on the full-size image. In it you can clearly see the South Col. From there, follow that ridge to the right until you see a few jagged notched peaks. Keep going just a little further to the right until you get to a slightly higher peak (Lhotse?), right before the ridge drops down and disappears behind Nuptse. Compare to this photo of Lhotse from the Western Cwm. Isn't this slightly higher peak visible in the panorama Lhotse? Now I wouldn't really call this a spectacular view, but you can see it, evidently. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 00:44, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Agree with Racerx11, it is indeed Lhotse main summit which is visible. But Nuptse main summit (7861m) isn't visible, only lower Nuptse Nup II (7742m). --Pseudois (talk) 14:38, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

The Name of the Peak in front and to the North of Everest

Viewed from Kala Patthar there is a large triangular mountain immediately in front of Everest and to the north of the Khumbu glacier. Can anyone provide a name (or names) for this peak please? The view of it could be described as spectacular and I suggest the article would be better for the inclusion of name. Treluckey (talk) 11:09, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

It may have another name but I think that feature is usually referred to as "Everest's West Shoulder" or the West Shoulder. It's a little bit of optical illusion in that it's not really a mountain as it appears viewed from Kala Patthar, it's actually the end of the West Ridge viewed edge-on. Much in the way Nuptse looks more impressive from the same view, looking at it down the edge of the ridge. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 11:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

You are absolutely correct, it is P7205m located on the West shoulder. But Changtse is visible further left. --Pseudois (talk) 14:35, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Pseudois for the confirmation and clarifications, here and at the post above. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 22:10, 26 July 2013 (UTC)